Comment On Who is Kyle Söze?

The First Day of a new job is almost always slow and uneventful. A bit of paperwork in the morning, a quick walkthrough of the system, and possibly a trivial First Assignment. Nick’s First Day at the International Shipping Company (as I’ll call it) was no exception. In fact, it was so slow that it seemed like the First Day would last all week. That is, until a frantic coworker burst into his cubicle. [expand full text]
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Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:10 • by BlueKnot (unregistered)
Oooh, 8-character limit: helpful in case we want to store the tables as files on a DOS-based system.

The 'crazy idea' is worth filing away though; never know when you might need that. ;)

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:26 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)

One question, however, remained: WTF was with that table?


So wait, doesn't WTF mean "Worse Than Failure" now?

"One question, however, remained: Worse Than Failure was with that table?"

Not sure that makes any sense.

</sarcasm>

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:36 • by FredSaw
Kyle Söze


I can't feel my legs.

(Just to let you know your humor wasn't missed)

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:45 • by sir_flexalot
That is an awesome first day/week at any job. I have come to realize that if you're working at a place that has bad things going on, you'll become intimately aware of WTF'ness in a very short period of time. This would definitely qualify! I imagine that this is just the beginning of issues at "ISC"...

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:47 • by Elvis (unregistered)
And poof... He was gone.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:50 • by APH
141183 in reply to 141180
I knew that last name seemed oddly familiar. Sadly, I have yet to see that movie in its entirety. I always manage to catch the beginning 15 minutes or the last 5.

For the uninitiated, I'll be adding "The Usual Suspects" to my Netflix queue.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 13:55 • by sol (unregistered)
That's it if you guys persist in telling these lies about me I'll just leave. lmao. I find it hard to believe a guy who had been in the business that long would just have a fit and quit though.



So what do you do when this kind of thing is reversed? Your the one guy wanting things like relations, source control, primary keys and so on....

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:00 • by Rob (unregistered)
They shot the devil in the back and didn't miss.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:01 • by ParkinT
"Nick immediately followed Dave to the server rom. "
Are you sure this was not a 'Server RAM'?

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:01 • by Rob (unregistered)
141188 in reply to 141185
You update your resume.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:05 • by a goat (unregistered)
We try this technique of removing our highly valued "experts" all the time.

It rarely works :(

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:05 • by Erzengel
sol:
So what do you do when this kind of thing is reversed? Your the one guy wanting things like relations, source control, primary keys and so on....

If you want to keep your job, you do what you're told to do. If you don't like working with undisciplined, unprofessional, untrained monkeys, do what Söze did and get a new job (but be professional about it, don't throw a tantrum).
Of course, this is only after you've presented well thought out reasons for using your system to management and had it rejected. But if they refuse to use such requisite things as unique keys, why would anyone want to work there?

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:07 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
I'm Kyle Söze and THEY ARE STILL WRONG!

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:07 • by a goat (unregistered)
141192 in reply to 141185
I always find convenient ways to expose exactly why this is a problem. Usually by causing a spectacular production issue

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:08 • by ParkinT
141193 in reply to 141182
Elvis:
And poof... He was gone.

International Shipping Company. Operated by Jimmy Hoffa.
He got 'a pair of cement overshoes' and 'went for a ride' IN the harbor.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:11 • by Lloyd (unregistered)
I worked in a shop that had a similar "legacy" left behind from such an "expert." We referred to it as "Rob Code" until it was finally refactored away.

In spite of his claims to success, he was still brought down easily enough. None of the other developers would accept the tickets to fix bugs found in his code. Being an "expert" it was easy to get him to accept that no one else was capable of understanding his code. Of course, being someone more interested in "getting it done" than in "getting it right," every time he fixed one bug five more were introduced. Eventually, even the management was forced to recognize that he was generating more heat than light and forced him out. Of course, it also helped that his thirty-six hour coding frenzies were drug-fueled.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:12 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:14 • by Franz-Leo Chomse (unregistered)
I want my S36 back. Years of RPG programming has some
long lasting side effects on your view of databases.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:20 • by ssprencel
What a cry-baby. I would expect this from a 7 year old but this guy is at least in his late 30s.

I'm sure he probably picked up on the sentiment around the office and this was just the tipping point but still, have at least a little bit of class. If nothing else then maybe some self respect?

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:20 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
141198 in reply to 141195
Kyle Söze :
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.
No, I'm Kyle Söze!

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:22 • by FredSaw
141199 in reply to 141183
APH:
I'll be adding "The Usual Suspects" to my Netflix queue.
It'll be worth it to watch all the way through, even if seeing the last five spoiled it for you. It's one of those you have to watch three or four times to pick up every little subtlety.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:26 • by Ruakh
I can't believe that worked! :-D

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:26 • by Ubersoldat (unregistered)
I'm Kyle Söze's right lung and I'm bigger than you left lung!

wigwam? Hate it!

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:27 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
141205 in reply to 141198
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze :
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.
No, I'm Kyle Söze!

I'm Kyle Söze

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:34 • by stupid old me (unregistered)
141206 in reply to 141180
FredSaw:
Kyle Söze


I can't feel my legs.

(Just to let you know your humor wasn't missed)


Could you explain it to me? Sorry, I'm slow today...

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:41 • by FredSaw
141208 in reply to 141206
stupid old me:
Could you explain it to me? Sorry, I'm slow today...
"I can't feel my legs" is a line in the opening scene of the movie, "The Usual Suspects", which features a shadowy, legendary sociopath named Kaiser Sose.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:45 • by Someone You Know
141209 in reply to 141205
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze :
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.
No, I'm Kyle Söze!

I'm Kyle Söze


I'm not Kyle Söze!

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:46 • by rbowes
141210 in reply to 141206
stupid old me:
FredSaw:
Kyle Söze


I can't feel my legs.

(Just to let you know your humor wasn't missed)


Could you explain it to me? Sorry, I'm slow today...

A quick Google search for the last name found this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyser_Soze

And on the page, it talks about some character not being able to feel one of his legs and arms, or something. I haven't seen the movie, nor did I read the Wikipedia page all the way through.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 14:55 • by Jim Bob (unregistered)
141211 in reply to 141169
I have huge freakin' balls

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:08 • by DR (unregistered)
For this to work, wouldn't the New Guy really be Kyle Soze?

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:11 • by SuperQ (unregistered)
141213 in reply to 141185
I started a new job many years ago.. 2 weeks settling into the role of *NIX destkop/small-server sysadming we all got hurried into a meeting. One of the other sysadmins had just thrown his pager and keys at the manager and left. I ended up taking over his job, and we hired another guy to replace my role.

I guess in the end it worked out well for me.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:22 • by sol (unregistered)
Yeah, I often wonder if I should look for a new job. But, with my 9th grade education, bad attitude, and all that....

Being a highly valued expert I often wonder how in the fucking hell I can know more about a lot of things than most well educated guys I happen to work with... wait that is right I just think I do

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:26 • by sburch (unregistered)
141217 in reply to 141205
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze :
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.
No, I'm Kyle Söze!

I'm Kyle Söze


No I'm Kyle Söze and so's my wife.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:26 • by FredSaw
141218 in reply to 141212
DR:
For this to work, wouldn't the New Guy really be Kyle Soze?
Well, legend had it that Sose was a criminal kingpin in his home country (Turkey, maybe? Don't remember) and he came home one day to find that rivals had taken his wife and children hostage to force him to accede to their demands. Rather than let them have their way over him, he shot his wife and kids.

Kind of like stomping out of your job because the new guys want to do things differently.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:27 • by Tom (unregistered)
141219 in reply to 141205
I'm Kyle Söze and so's my wife.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:30 • by Copycat (unregistered)
http://www.doublenegative.com/wordpress/

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:31 • by Ross Presser (unregistered)
According to Google, "Verbal and his wife, Selina Kyle Soze, live in the Mountain Brook area of Birmingham." (Second Google hit on "Kyle Söze").

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:33 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
I'm Kyle Söze, and I play a fife.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:37 • by FredSaw
141224 in reply to 141220
Copycat:
http://www.doublenegative.com/wordpress/
Check the source on the image.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:40 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
141225 in reply to 141222
Kyle Söze:
I'm Kyle Söze, and I play a fife.


I'm Kyle Söze, and I'm full of life

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:45 • by Michael (unregistered)
141226 in reply to 141212
DR:
For this to work, wouldn't the New Guy really be Kyle Soze?
No, Dave is Kyle Soze.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:47 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
I'm Kyle Söze, and I've got a knife!

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 15:59 • by jimlangrunner
I'm Kyle Soze, and the job's full of strife.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:00 • by G Money (unregistered)
141230 in reply to 141185
sol:
That's it if you guys persist in telling these lies about me I'll just leave. lmao. I find it hard to believe a guy who had been in the business that long would just have a fit and quit though.



So what do you do when this kind of thing is reversed? Your the one guy wanting things like relations, source control, primary keys and so on....


Yeah .. democracy only works if the majority is rational.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:21 • by akatherder
141231 in reply to 141230
G Money:
Yeah .. democracy only works if the majority is rational.


Doesn't the majority decide what is rational, even if you disagree? That hurts my brain.

The sad thing about the "Kyles" of this world is that they start working at a company when it is small and build their legend up over time. When the company grows and the development team grows, no one can unseat Kyle. His code "works". It just happens to be a terrible, unmaintainable patchwork of garbage.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:23 • by Steven (unregistered)
ISCROWID?

But later on the column is ABCROWID...

Could we be talking about abcshipping.com?

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:29 • by Spartacus (unregistered)
141233 in reply to 141205
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze:
Kyle Söze:
I'm Kyle Söze and I am now a consultant and earning 3 times what I did when I worked at that company.
No, I'm Kyle Söze!
I'm Kyle Söze

I'm Spartacus!

Oh wait, wrong argument. Sorry about that.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:32 • by Kyle Söze (unregistered)
I am Kyle Söze's medulla oblongata.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 16:46 • by an anonymous ex-game programmer (unregistered)
141236 in reply to 141185
sol:
I find it hard to believe a guy who had been in the business that long would just have a fit and quit though.


Why not? I'm dealing with one of those now. We're basically just retiring the whole platform to get away from the 5000+ line functions, with 5 new bugs introduced for every one fixed.

He's quit a couple of times already, and now just waiting for the final death rattle so I can get back to doing my job.

Re: Who is Kyle Söze?

2007-06-14 17:01 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
141237 in reply to 141236
an anonymous ex-game programmer:
sol:
I find it hard to believe a guy who had been in the business that long would just have a fit and quit though.


Why not? I'm dealing with one of those now. We're basically just retiring the whole platform to get away from the 5000+ line functions, with 5 new bugs introduced for every one fixed.

He's quit a couple of times already, and now just waiting for the final death rattle so I can get back to doing my job.



While I can understand this attitude, I cannot understand throwing a tantrum.

We're in the process of retiring a platform that I designed and implemented here at my work. The platform needs to be either retired or seriously upgraded. So we're going with the retire and replace approach.

The problem is, the new version is much, much worse in a lot of areas. I can understand feeling frustrated with having a code base retired when the replacement is obviously much worse. Therefore, I can understand the feelings of these individuals, Kyle Söze included.

That doesn't mean I think they are right though :) Kyle Söze's code and fight to keep his standards around are still a giant WTF.
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