Comment On The Sage

Jared D.'s time at the hardware store's paint department was mostly uneventful. At 16 years old, he worked over the summer to make some extra money before starting his sophomore year of high school. Day in, day out he'd guide customers to rollers, brushes, primers, tapes, and sponges. It wasn't as boring, though, when he got to use the paint machine. [expand full text]
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Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:04 • by Anon (unregistered)
Where's the wtf, that they're running it on Windows?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:12 • by Rob (unregistered)
186032 in reply to 186025
Windows isn't the only system that supports CTRL+ALT+DEL. In fact, it's even older than Windows is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:12 • by jtl (unregistered)
186033 in reply to 186025
At least it didn't ask him to press any key.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:16 • by Pope
I guess the WTF is supposed to be that old people are computer illiterate and we should therefore point and laugh at them.

I have scratched my head a few times when asked questions like, "How can I download the internet?" Or my Grandma's favorite question, "I need to email you my computer, what do I do again?" That would be a really cool trick, Grandma! What program are you using?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:20 • by A Nonny Mouse
gramps only has 6 fingers :(

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:27 • by Carl (unregistered)
186041 in reply to 186037
Pope:
I have scratched my head a few times when asked questions like, "How can I download the internet?" Or my Grandma's favorite question, "I need to email you my computer, what do I do again?" That would be a really cool trick, Grandma! What program are you using?
Clbuttic.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:34 • by LeSpocky (unregistered)
Have you tried to turn it off and on again? *lol*

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:38 • by rdrunner
186048 in reply to 186047
LeSpocky:
Have you tried to turn it off and on again? *lol*


I love the show!

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:39 • by name (unregistered)
that ease my soul to know that there's worst than me

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:39 • by Outlaw Programmer
186050 in reply to 186047
2 problems I have with this article:

1) If they keyboard is not responding, what's CTRL-ALT-DEL going to do?
2) I though "The Sage" had fixed the problem before, that's how he got the title. How could he have done that if he was clearly computer illiterate?

Other than that, I definitely believe it. I love how the troubleshooting part of the documentation basically tells you that this is standard procedure. Welp, gotta restart my browser now, guys! CCCNTTTARALLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDD++

Damn...didn't work. Must be something else wrong with this hunk of junk!

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:40 • by king (unregistered)
If the old sage doing it the wrong way the entire time, how did he fix the machine all the times it broke down before?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:40 • by snoofle
186052 in reply to 186037
Pope:
I guess the WTF is supposed to be that old people are computer illiterate and we should therefore point and laugh at them.

Or that folks who work in a paint store should necessarily be computer literate?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:42 • by Volmarias
186054 in reply to 186050
1) If they keyboard is not responding, what's CTRL-ALT-DEL going to do?

iirc ctrl-alt-delete is trapped by the OS, not the program, so if the program has hung somewhere, the OS can still get the ctrl-alt-delete signal and reboot.

In fact...
Wikipedia:
DOS and all real mode systems

On a PC running DOS or a system that runs in real mode, this keystroke combination is recognized by the keyboard handling code in the BIOS and treated as the CPU's NMI signal, which, except for rare exceptions, invokes a soft reboot.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:44 • by m (unregistered)
I hope they don't have one of those computers that goes BOOOPBOOBOOBPP when you hold down too many keys at once.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:45 • by akatherder
Hey, I know that guy. He rebooted my computer by turning the monitor off, waiting 30 seconds, then turning the monitor back on.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:46 • by Phillip (unregistered)
I suppose not even <> surrounding the text indicating a key to press would have helped, it would have just been two more keys to hold down. <CTRL> + <ALT> + <DEL>.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:47 • by DeLos
The real WTF is old people using computers!

That's why they need robot insurance

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:47 • by rich (unregistered)
Isn't 16 a little late to be starting his sophmore year in HS?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:51 • by Outlaw Programmer
186061 in reply to 186054
Volmarias:

iirc ctrl-alt-delete is trapped by the OS...


Yeah, that makes sense. Guess they were going for "if our program is locked up, users will only notice when they type stuff and it doesn't work." Whereas, in my experience, if they keyboard is not working, it's probably because it's not plugged in anymore!

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 10:53 • by Fernando (unregistered)
186062 in reply to 186054
1) If they keyboard is not responding, what's CTRL-ALT-DEL going to do?


Well, the same as:

http://www.ruicruz.forunsbb.com/imagens/keyboard.jpg

Keyboard error or Keyboard not present.
Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:03 • by Alan (unregistered)
186066 in reply to 186055
m:
I hope they don't have one of those computers that goes BOOOPBOOBOOBPP when you hold down too many keys at once.


Really, thats my cats favourite noise - judging by her eagerness to replicate it on my laptop.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:11 • by sweavo (unregistered)
186068 in reply to 186055
m:
I hope they don't have one of those computers that goes BOOOPBOOBOOBPP when you hold down too many keys at once.


I hope they do! "ooh, it's booping, sonny! We musta got it on the run! Try an git your toe one the other + key!"

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:16 • by cod3_complete (unregistered)
LOL that was funny. I can't imagine anybody could be that clueless but oh well senior citzen type I guess.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:16 • by gabba
Wow! An old guy who doesn't understand computers? WTF?

Next time I'm in Home Depot, I hope I get his help rather than that of the 16 year old smart ass who knows about CTRL+ALT+DEL but probably nothing about paint.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:20 • by Russ (unregistered)
186073 in reply to 186062
Fernando:
1) If they keyboard is not responding, what's CTRL-ALT-DEL going to do?


Well, the same as:

http://www.ruicruz.forunsbb.com/imagens/keyboard.jpg

Keyboard error or Keyboard not present.
Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP


Nothing wrong with that per-se. If you have a usb keyboard, you can plug it in and hit f1 or del. Often I will simulate keyboard errors just to make sure this screen comes up and I don't miss the key to enter bios (I'll hold down a key for example, and it will generate a keyboard error).

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:20 • by Average Nerd (unregistered)
Master Kan: Quickly as you can, snatch the pebble from my hand.
[Young Caine tries to do so and fails]
Master Kan: When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:29 • by Andy (unregistered)
People. The whole point of the story isn't "ha ha, old people can't use computers"...it's that somehow, despite what happened, up until then *he was the 'sage'*. What he did to get that title, I'm not sure.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:31 • by KattMan
186078 in reply to 186051
king:
If the old sage doing it the wrong way the entire time, how did he fix the machine all the times it broke down before?


Because the next line in the manual is to turn the machine off, of course this still doesn't fix it as he just turns off the monitor. The last step says to unplug the machine and he unplugs the power strip, finally getting the problem machine and everything else to reboot.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:32 • by jtl (unregistered)
186079 in reply to 186059
rich:
Isn't 16 a little late to be starting his sophmore year in HS?


Not if you turn 16 after the cutoff point in July, in some systems. I had a September birthday and turned 16 at the beginning of sophomore year.

Of course, the real check is 'what grade did you complete last'. That's really all that matters. Some people get a late start at the beginning of their education and are slightly older than their classmates.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:34 • by tamosius (unregistered)
186081 in reply to 186071
the real WTF is that you expect to get some useful help in HomeDepot :-)

sage

2008-03-26 11:35 • by Nitehawk
The only sage here is the thing that goes into all fields.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:36 • by tamosius (unregistered)
186083 in reply to 186071
gabba:
Next time I'm in Home Depot, I hope I get his help rather than that of the 16 year old smart ass who knows about CTRL+ALT+DEL but probably nothing about paint.

the real WTF is that you expect to get some useful help in HomeDepot :-)

P.S. I guess it's a bit more clear with a quote what I'm talking about...

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:42 • by betlit
a bit off topic, but bear with me ;)

on german keyboards, functions keys have translated labels... e.g. ENTF instead of DEL (ENTF for 'entfernen'), EINF (einfügen) for INS and CTRL becomes STRG (for Steuerung).

an austrian friend of me once called and asked for help as her computer is not repsoning anymore and pressing "Strong Alt Entf" does not help.

she still is quite persistent in calling control/steuerung 'strong', even though i did epxlained to her what it really means.

(useless info: swiss keyboards use english labels as the same layout is used in all parts of the country by french, italian, rhaeto-romanic and swiss german speaking people)

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:46 • by jetcitywoman
Andy was closest to the Real WTF: assigning the "title" and function of guru to somebody based solely on the fact that they were willing to try something, instead of basing it on actual competence at said task. I run into it all the time at my work. Customers who simply use the program for their work tend to frequently get "promoted" to in-house IT support positions. As a software customer service rep for all my customers, guess who gets to field their inane and truly WTFey phonecalls for help every 3 minutes of every day...

It is another WTF how the "Sage" was so clueless with following the instructions that it's a wonder he *ever* fixed the problem before...

Sage

2008-03-26 11:51 • by Sage (unregistered)
Last time I checked, no amount of ctrl+alt+del-ing restarts windows. In fact, all that happens is a little window pops up, called "task manager," whatever that is.

CAPTCHA: sagaciter

PS: Sage goes in all fields.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:52 • by mike (unregistered)
TRWTF is that Jared didn't RTFM instead of relying on the Sage in the first place.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 11:56 • by BobB (unregistered)
186095 in reply to 186039
A Nonny Mouse:
gramps only has 6 fingers :(


And I know why! It was the great Paint Can Catastrophy of 79! Sure I was only a few months old and couldn't program, but I sure could mix some paint! And since I was such a youngin' in the business gramps saw a paint can lid coming at me full speed but caught it with his hand at the expense of his fingers!

Poor gramps, we still honor your brave four fingers.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:03 • by apetrelli
My Fingers! The nails do nothing!

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:04 • by Paul (unregistered)
186098 in reply to 186092
[quote user="jetcitywoman"... assigning the "title" and function of guru to somebody based solely on the fact that they were willing to try something, instead of basing it on actual competence at said task. [/quote]

Like my wife's sister, an elementary school teacher, who was put in charge of her school's new computer lab because she was the only one who had a computer at home (it's kind of backward where she lives). Well, actually, she /was/ the only one with any competence at all, with a direct line to me for advice and support.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:05 • by Gumby HW (unregistered)
Yeah, but what I really want to know is: did he put other things under the sensor? Like a ham sandwich? Like certain bodily parts?

Cool if, instead of photocopying his butt he turned it into a paint by numbers set!

Captcha: wonderfully is "ilium" which is right around your butt -- kinda literally!

Re: Sage

2008-03-26 12:06 • by Pingmaster
186102 in reply to 186093
Sage:
Last time I checked, no amount of ctrl+alt+del-ing restarts windows. In fact, all that happens is a little window pops up, called "task manager," whatever that is.

CAPTCHA: sagaciter

PS: Sage goes in all fields.


Actually, win 95 and 98 it would pop up task manager first and if you pressed it again while task manager was up, it would restart the machine. Oh and Windows 1-3.x would restart the computer :D

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:24 • by brazzy
186105 in reply to 186087
betlit:
a bit off topic, but bear with me ;)

on german keyboards, functions keys have translated labels... e.g. ENTF instead of DEL (ENTF for 'entfernen'), EINF (einfügen) for INS and CTRL becomes STRG (for Steuerung).

an austrian friend of me once called and asked for help as her computer is not repsoning anymore and pressing "Strong Alt Entf" does not help.

she still is quite persistent in calling control/steuerung 'strong', even though i did epxlained to her what it really means.

For some reason I'm not sure about I keep thinking of it as "string"...

Re: Sage

2008-03-26 12:24 • by pitchingchris
186106 in reply to 186102
So that's how you write WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFF ! Man, if I'd known that sooner.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:27 • by Tux (unregistered)
Or its really Linux, CTL ALT DEL will trigger a shutdown.
Transverbero!

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 12:50 • by dave (unregistered)
cccccccnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnttttttttllllllllllllllllllllllll=============aaaaaaalllllllllllllltttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt=================ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll



arg, couldn't reach shift.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 13:16 • by David Masover (unregistered)
186131 in reply to 186071
gabba:
Wow! An old guy who doesn't understand computers? WTF?

The WTF isn't that he's "an old guy who doesn't understand computers", it's that he's known as "the sage", and is the one responsible for fixing a computer.

gabba:
Next time I'm in Home Depot, I hope I get his help rather than that of the 16 year old smart ass who knows about CTRL+ALT+DEL but probably nothing about paint.

I'd rather get his help for picking out paint, sure. But in what ways is the 16-year-old a smart ass in that story? Sounds like he was helpful.

I'd rather have both of them, actually -- the 16-year-old to operate the machines, and the Sage to help me pick out paint.

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 13:23 • by Teh Irish Gril Riot (unregistered)
186132 in reply to 186071
gabba:
Wow! An old guy who doesn't understand computers? WTF?

Next time I'm in Home Depot, I hope I get his help rather than that of the 16 year old smart ass who knows about CTRL+ALT+DEL but probably nothing about paint.


Whoa! Settle down there, gabba.

This story hits a little too close to home for ya?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 13:25 • by FredSaw
186133 in reply to 186077
Andy:
People. The whole point of the story isn't "ha ha, old people can't use computers"...it's that somehow, despite what happened, up until then *he was the 'sage'*. What he did to get that title, I'm not sure.
He got that title by knowing how to do his job... mixing paint. He was a sage from another age.

Do you suppose they sold sagebrushes there?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 13:27 • by Teh Irish Gril Riot (unregistered)
186136 in reply to 186133
Could be he got the title 'Sage' because he smelled like sausage. Or, he packed some serious meat. One never knows, does one?

Well, does one? Huh?

Re: The Sage

2008-03-26 13:35 • by Ie (unregistered)
Back when boxed software came with instructions, I'd never seen any manual that used the "+" nomenclature without defining rather early within the first 5 pages of the book that it means "at the same time" and that CTRL = one of the control keys, etc.
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