Comment On Nepotism Trumps Interview

Simon had a great job. Every day he was playing with cool hardware and software, he liked his colleagues, and the pay... well... OK, he was underpaid. Vastly underpaid. While his company made good on their promise to give him a raise once he got a C certification, it was an insulting two figures. Simon would've felt less insulted if they'd literally slapped him in the face (instead of figuratively). It didn't take him long to line up some interviews and get a job offer for a position that sounded just as interesting, with the added benefit of a reasonable level of compensation. [expand full text]
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Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:13 • by Andy Goth
Simon's boss should have been fired over this.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:13 • by MAG (unregistered)
I wonder what kind of "manual" labor is Ryan doing now.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:16 • by Steve (unregistered)
Fire Larry!

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:21 • by andrewbadera
blah blah hardworking underpaid employee blah blah blah idiot boss blah blah nepotism blah blah blah. seems like we've heard this one before.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:21 • by snoofle
Well, at least the other managers appologized for their assault on Simon. I've rarely seen manangement admit to their mistakes.

As for Simon's actions, I'd say he reacted as he should have and is better off without them.

...
#define G F
int n = 0xFFFFFFFG; // wtf!?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:23 • by Bob (unregistered)
Half of me worries that I'll get into a job that I'm not prepared for. The other half worries that I'll work with people who are totally not prepared for their job.

As such, I worry a lot.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:23 • by tj (unregistered)
TRWTF is that there was actually a change after they realized that ryan was an artard

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:27 • by Dave (unregistered)
He's not an artard he just know gexahecimal. He's years ahead of his time I tell you.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:27 • by Carra (unregistered)
207885 in reply to 207873
MAG:
I wonder what kind of "manual" labor is Ryan doing now.


I'll bet something like sitting at his uncles desk surfing the internet and gettnig coffee for his uncle once every hour.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:32 • by ObiWayneKenobi
"Turns out my nephew is really good with computers, so we're going to give him the job!"

Sure-fire sign that A) The company is run by idiots, B) Your boss is an idiot, and C) You should run as fast as you can away from the place.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:36 • by Dennis (unregistered)
207890 in reply to 207878
andrewbadera:
blah blah hardworking underpaid employee blah blah blah idiot boss blah blah nepotism blah blah blah. seems like we've heard this one before.


Possibly because it happens all the time.

In a former life, I worked at a company where the boss's wife was (officially) a VP, and (in practice) a part-time A/P clerk. Her main duty was (apparently) sending female employees to the washroom in tears, which she did on average at least once a week. (Sorry about the sexist bent on that, but the whole time I was there she never managed to get a single male to cry).

Hexadecimal digit 'G'

2008-07-23 10:36 • by Another Kevin (unregistered)
Believe it or not, in the bad old days when dinosaurs
walked the earth, Honeywell computers (notably the 801)
used a hexadecimal notation that omitted 'A'. The
digits for 10 through 15 were 'B' through 'G' - and
were represented by script characters that were not
used for the ordinary alphabet.

Why 'B' through 'G'? Turns out that the letter position
was obtained by throwing away the most significant
bit of the hex digit. 10(10) == 1010(2), throw away the
most significant bit and it's 10(2), so use the second
letter of the alphabet, 'B'. And so on up to
15(10) = 1111(2), throw away the most significant bit
and it's 111(2), or 7(10), so use the seventh letter
of the alphabet, 'G'.

It was incredibly annoying.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:37 • by Claxon
207892 in reply to 207879
snoofle:

#define G F
int n = 0xFFFFFFFG; // wtf!?


Wow... I might have to throw in a few of those defines into the apps I'm porting, just to make sure the next guy has the same headache that I've had for the past 2 years. >:)

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:38 • by Dennis (unregistered)
207893 in reply to 207884
Dave:
He's not an artard he just know gexahecimal. He's years ahead of his time I tell you.


[homer]
Mmmmmm.... Base 17......
[/homer]

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:38 • by FredSaw
207894 in reply to 207873
MAG:
I wonder what kind of "manual" labor is Ryan doing now.
Lifting a coffee cup, I would guess.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:42 • by danixdefcon5
The "über-programmer nephew" story is very, very common. But a manager getting his comeuppance because of doing this? That's a real good one!

I've only seen one case where nepotism has actually produced a competent programmer. Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:48 • by ObiWayneKenobi
207902 in reply to 207898
danixdefcon5:
Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.


An omen that you should take your lunch break and run away screaming, never to return?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:51 • by Motti (unregistered)
207903 in reply to 207892
#define G F

That's not how the processor works
"ComeauTest.c", line 2: error: extra text after expected end of number
int n = 0xFFFFFFFG; // wtf!?
^

If it were then you couldn't use
assertion
as a variable name.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:53 • by D0R
207904 in reply to 207898
danixdefcon5:
Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.


"I have a (family member) that's good in computers"
translates as
"I have a (family member) that spends a lot of time playing videogames".

Dave:
He's not an artard he just know gexahecimal.


It's heptadecimal. A little more than four bits.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 10:57 • by blah (unregistered)
207906 in reply to 207903
[quote user="Motti"][quote]If it were then you couldn't use
assertion
as a variable name.[/quote]ERROR! Detected naughty word. Replacing...

ERROR! Stack overflow.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:00 • by Saaid (unregistered)
207907 in reply to 207890
Dennis:
andrewbadera:
blah blah hardworking underpaid employee blah blah blah idiot boss blah blah nepotism blah blah blah. seems like we've heard this one before.


Possibly because it happens all the time.

In a former life, I worked at a company where the boss's wife was (officially) a VP, and (in practice) a part-time A/P clerk. Her main duty was (apparently) sending female employees to the washroom in tears, which she did on average at least once a week. (Sorry about the sexist bent on that, but the whole time I was there she never managed to get a single male to cry).

Dennis, this sounds like a place where I used to work. Was this in Omaha?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:04 • by Matt.C

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:08 • by BobB (unregistered)
207911 in reply to 207908
Matt.C:


There's a Spaceballs joke just waiting to bloom from that...

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:19 • by Dennis (unregistered)
207915 in reply to 207907

Dennis, this sounds like a place where I used to work. Was this in Omaha?


No, Vancouver. I'd guess though that it's pretty common too.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:22 • by Uncle Paul (unregistered)
We just hired my niece Paula. She's brillant.

1.) Hire Paula
2.) ?????
3.) Profit!

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:23 • by Dave (unregistered)
207918 in reply to 207904
D0R:
danixdefcon5:
Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.


"I have a (family member) that's good in computers"
translates as
"I have a (family member) that spends a lot of time playing videogames".

Dave:
He's not an artard he just know gexahecimal.


It's heptadecimal. A little more than four bits.


The g is for G not 17.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:23 • by frf (unregistered)
I'd complain, except I ended up getting hired for 2 summer internships by way of nepotism. Though at least I was qualified and got pretty nice reviews at the end. =)


(Well only 1...by the other time the relative had been downsized partly due to losses for the company, and some inter-office politics)

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:37 • by Michael Kimsal (unregistered)
I think I've been brought in *one* time based on a recommendation of a family member, and I wasn't comfortable in that situation. Was only a short term (few day) project, but even then I was aware that people might have been aware of the relationship with the family member.

Oh, well, in another case I ran a small consulting practice with my brother, but that was up front and out in the open from day one.

But in most cases, the 'I've got a nephew' syndrome (IGAN syndrome?) is likely a bad sign. If the nephew/family member doesn't acknowledge the awkwardness at all, it's even worse.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:38 • by jtl (unregistered)
He should have demanded his bosses job, that might have been worth staying to get the guy axed.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 11:48 • by Zylon
207925 in reply to 207898
danixdefcon5:
I've only seen one case where nepotism has actually produced a competent programmer. Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.

An omen is just a vision of the future. Omens can be good or bad.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:24 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
207934 in reply to 207925
Simon:
Simon buried his face in his hands, slowly looking up. "Look, my new employer made me a better offer, and how could I possibly want to work here after what happened?" He'd taken all he could, so he just got up and left the room, finishing the day working quietly at his desk.


It really sounds like this was out of character for either Simon's boss or the company. The beginning of the article says that Simon loved his job (except for the pay) and if your boss is a moron, that automatically makes me hate the job.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:29 • by operagost
207936 in reply to 207894
MAG:
I wonder what kind of "manual" labor is Ryan doing now.

Shoveling the remains of the building after Simon torched it?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:30 • by mark11727
Thirty-odd years ago, I worked for a direct-mail company owned by a neighbor's-neighbor's father-in-law, and managed by the owner's son.

Although I was originally hired as a stockboy, my real job turned out being the computer operator (!)

The boss's nephew was the "official" operator, and he would arrive late, leave early, and take loooo-onnnnng lunches, so I pretty well ran things on my own. :o)

Oh yes, and I was paid a stockboy's wages. :o(

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:32 • by muttonchop (unregistered)
I am embarrassed to even write this comment! An idiot could do this!!!

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:32 • by Daiv (unregistered)
207939 in reply to 207904
D0R:
"I have a (family member) that's good in computers"
translates as
"I have a (family member) that spends a lot of time playing videogames".


Amen.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:33 • by Pat (unregistered)
207940 in reply to 207890
Dennis:
andrewbadera:
blah blah hardworking underpaid employee blah blah blah idiot boss blah blah nepotism blah blah blah. seems like we've heard this one before.


Possibly because it happens all the time.

In a former life, I worked at a company where the boss's wife was (officially) a VP, and (in practice) a part-time A/P clerk. Her main duty was (apparently) sending female employees to the washroom in tears, which she did on average at least once a week. (Sorry about the sexist bent on that, but the whole time I was there she never managed to get a single male to cry).


And then the company was sold and management had to do an emergency reevaluation of her son's job so that they could justify keeping him around? And then they rehired one of the women who quit for more than she was making under the old bosses?

I'm curious how the Simon's boss justified hiring someone new instead of making an offer when Simon gave his notice. It was obvious that he was indispenible and there was money in the budget. Isn't someone checking the department budget submissions?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:34 • by zzzzzzzzzz (unregistered)
Long story for boring outcome. This one should have been half as long, and probably still rejected.

Re: Hexadecimal digit 'G'

2008-07-23 12:34 • by Andrew (unregistered)
207943 in reply to 207891
Another Kevin:
Believe it or not, in the bad old days when dinosaurs
walked the earth, Honeywell computers (notably the 801)
used a hexadecimal notation that omitted 'A'. The
digits for 10 through 15 were 'B' through 'G' - and
were represented by script characters that were not
used for the ordinary alphabet.

Why 'B' through 'G'? Turns out that the letter position
was obtained by throwing away the most significant
bit of the hex digit. 10(10) == 1010(2), throw away the
most significant bit and it's 10(2), so use the second
letter of the alphabet, 'B'. And so on up to
15(10) = 1111(2), throw away the most significant bit
and it's 111(2), or 7(10), so use the seventh letter
of the alphabet, 'G'.

It was incredibly annoying.


That sounds very efficient and appropriate for the time. A bit-mask operation is cheap. Of course, they could have taken the extra step and decremented the 'B' character to an 'A'.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:38 • by bugmenot1
207946 in reply to 207903
#define F *0x10+0xF)
#define G F
#define O (((((((((
#define x 0
int n = O x F G F G F G F G F; // wtf!?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:39 • by Andy Goth
207947 in reply to 207904
D0R:
"I have a (family member) that spends a lot of time playing videogames".
You're really good at that Word Art game! You can be a graphic designer or even a programmer!

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:49 • by The Wanderer (unregistered)
207949 in reply to 207898
danixdefcon5:
I've only seen one case where nepotism has actually produced a competent programmer. Besides that case, the words "I have a (family member) that's good in computers" are actually an omen.


What about the case where the person doing the recommending of said family member is, himself, good with computers - perhaps even in an IT position himself - and thus actually in some kind of position to judge?

I'm not necessarily an unbiased judge on that question, since that's how I got my present job, having been turned down for it once before on the grounds that I glanced up at the ceiling instead of keeping my eyes on the interviewer while framing my answers. Still, while I'm no kind of be-all end-all genius in what I do here, I seem to be at least as competent as any of the others in the same job...

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:54 • by unklegwar (unregistered)
207953 in reply to 207880
That's why it's important for you to interview your employer while they are interviewing you. It's a two way process.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:54 • by unklegwar (unregistered)
207954 in reply to 207880
Bob:
Half of me worries that I'll get into a job that I'm not prepared for. The other half worries that I'll work with people who are totally not prepared for their job.

As such, I worry a lot.


That's why it's important for you to interview your employer while they are interviewing you. It's a two way process.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:54 • by unklegwar (unregistered)
207955 in reply to 207880
Bob:
Half of me worries that I'll get into a job that I'm not prepared for. The other half worries that I'll work with people who are totally not prepared for their job.

As such, I worry a lot.


That's why it's important for you to interview your employer while they are interviewing you. It's a two way process.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:54 • by mjb (unregistered)
Was this edited too much? We never got a formal proof/statement the answers simon saw to the test were Ryan's....just a snarky hint

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 12:58 • by Jay (unregistered)
The company my father worked for had a deliberate policy of hiring children of employees for summer jobs. They even had a special application form for such people. I worked their two summers when I was in college. If you can't fight nepotism, institutionalize it.

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 13:23 • by Bob (unregistered)
207962 in reply to 207906
[quote user="blah"][quote user="Motti"][quote]If it were then you couldn't use
buttertion
as a variable name.[/quote]ERROR! Detected naughty word. Replacing...

ERROR! Stack overflow.[/quote]

There we go. Fixed that for you.

Re: Hexadecimal digit 'G'

2008-07-23 13:24 • by Random832
207963 in reply to 207891
Another Kevin:

Why 'B' through 'G'? Turns out that the letter position
was obtained by throwing away the most significant
bit of the hex digit. 10(10) == 1010(2), throw away the
most significant bit and it's 10(2), so use the second
letter of the alphabet, 'B'.


"use the second letter" is a simplification - with bit masks, it would be 10 = 1010, throw away the fourth bit and you have 010, which you OR with 11000000 to get 11000010, 'B'.

(or, if it's ascii, 01000000 and 01000010 instead)

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 13:25 • by shadowman
207964 in reply to 207949
The Wanderer:


I'm not necessarily an unbiased judge on that question, since that's how I got my present job, having been turned down for it once before on the grounds that I glanced up at the ceiling instead of keeping my eyes on the interviewer while framing my answers.


I normally look down my pants for answers during interviews. But I never find any. :-(

Seriously, though, what? Are you supposed to stare at the interviewer the whole time you're thinking about the question she asked you? Or were you pretty much staring at the ceiling for uncomfortably long periods of time?

Re: Nepotism Trumps Interview

2008-07-23 13:27 • by Random832
207965 in reply to 207962
Bob:
blah:
Motti:
If it were then you couldn't use

buttertion

as a variable name.
ERROR! Detected naughty word. Replacing...

ERROR! Stack overflow.


There we go. Fixed that for you.


I don't get it, what's this a reference to?
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