Comment On Immaculate Backup

Murphy's Law 198§44: the more complete a backup/recovery solution becomes, the less likely it is to ever be used. [expand full text]
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Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:34 • by fennec
Cute. Not reeally WTFy, but cute.

The real WTF is the WTFvertisement, complete with partner ID link. What's the commission like on the Reseller Program?

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:40 • by Anonymous Coward (unregistered)
The real WTF is that Data Deposit Box doesn't automatically backup Konqueror bookmarks.


captcha: I *am* a robot, and can't read that.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:47 • by Anonymous Tart (unregistered)
FRIST PSOT:
FRIST PSOT!

captcha: ninjas


Any chance of this mindless slashdot idiot related drivel being forcibly driven from the comments.

Excellent wtf though :)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:51 • by Look at me! I'm on the internets! (unregistered)
121716 in reply to 121713
Anonymous Tart:
FRIST PSOT:
FRIST PSOT!

captcha: ninjas


Any chance of this mindless slashdot idiot related drivel being forcibly driven from the comments.

Excellent wtf though :)


I like what fark does:
Change the text "first post" to "Boobies!" and reset the time stamp on hour into the future.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:52 • by snoofle
No amount of planning can ever compensate for a wtf-user!

Very nice story!

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 11:57 • by morry
He should try 12345

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:01 • by Johnny (unregistered)
121720 in reply to 121718
Hey, that's the code on my luggage!

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:02 • by Ad-hater (unregistered)
Yeah, when I get home from a hard day's work, I too enjoy a frosty beverage.

Budweiser - the beer for men! Budweiser - when you just can't stop slapping the wife around.

Budweiser.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:02 • by pc (unregistered)
Hopefully, they have whatever the Administrator-equivilent password is and can reset the user's password...

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:03 • by snoofle
121723 in reply to 121718
Having thought about it for a few minutes, I wonder if they also require byzantine password change rules (you know, 8+ characters, mixed case, at least one digit and at least one non-alphanumeric symbol, changed every month with no repetitions for at least 13 months)? Should make getting this guy up and running more interesting...

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:03 • by Tukaro
121724 in reply to 121716
Look at me! I'm on the internets!:
Anonymous Tart:
FRIST PSOT:
FRIST PSOT!

captcha: ninjas


Any chance of this mindless slashdot idiot related drivel being forcibly driven from the comments.

Excellent wtf though :)


I like what fark does:
Change the text "first post" to "Boobies!" and reset the time stamp on hour into the future.
The time warp is only if it really is the first post; the filter is on all posts (which can make for some hilarious conversation). They also have similar set ups for a variety of "first post" type replies, such as "first comment" (which gets changed to Weeners).

I wouldn't mind seeing something similar being set up here. Or, better yet, disallow anonymous comments for x minutes (or x comments by registered users).

/TotalFarker

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:09 • by cdr (unregistered)
How much are they paying you, Alex? Or are you really cheap enough just to do it for the partner linkref?

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:16 • by Anonymous Tart (unregistered)
121728 in reply to 121725
cdr:
How much are they paying you, Alex? Or are you really cheap enough just to do it for the partner linkref?


Who gives a fark how much he gets for it? How much you paying him to access the site, numpty.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:17 • by rbowes
121729 in reply to 121704
fennec:
The real WTF is the WTFvertisement, complete with partner ID link. What's the commission like on the Reseller Program?

I wanted to use the word WTFvertisement first :(

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:18 • by Duston (unregistered)
121731 in reply to 121718
morry:
He should try 12345


Or maybe they should look through their inventory system and find out what monitor he had 5 years ago and get the yellow sticky note off the side of it?

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:19 • by twks
Usually when an organization retires an old mainframe system, they would dump all of the data into flat text files (or some type of easily accessible format) so that they could easily be opened by other means in the future.

Their server room must look like an IT history museum.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:38 • by Galelasa
121736 in reply to 121728
Anonymous Tart:
cdr:
How much are they paying you, Alex? Or are you really cheap enough just to do it for the partner linkref?


Who gives a fark how much he gets for it? How much you paying him to access the site, numpty.


Numpty?!
*wipes tears of laughter from her eyes*

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 12:47 • by Zonkers (unregistered)
> They hire the best network administrators money can buy and
> give them whatever resources they need to ensure that the
> infrastructure remains solid. And that they do.

WTF? no one does this!

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 13:00 • by Another Anonymous Coward (unregistered)
121740 in reply to 121708
Too bad, they do not run on Linux.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 13:08 • by Anon (unregistered)
Online Backup? Try Mozy, 2gb/month for FREE, unlimited $5/month. Nice interface. I've used it a couple times for "undelete."

https://mozy.com

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 13:20 • by themagni
121742 in reply to 121738
Zonkers:
> They hire the best network administrators money can buy and
> give them whatever resources they need to ensure that the
> infrastructure remains solid. And that they do.

WTF? no one does this!


They do after the first disaster. Until then, it's just wasted money, since nobody's ever had to recover from a backup.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 13:34 • by fennec
121745 in reply to 121741
Anon:
Online Backup? Try Mozy, 2gb/month for FREE, unlimited $5/month. Nice interface. I've used it a couple times for "undelete."

https://mozy.com


You left out the ?code=W26DRL on the visible text. My, my. Today, it seems, is the day for WTFvertisements! Really, now, if you're up-front about it, nobody will really mind very much. (Heck, there are ads in the sidebar, after all, and people don't scream about those... though they will gladly make fun of them...)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 13:40 • by Ghost Ware Wizard
Typical User Issue = TUI
They want and expect the best when what they get is what they paid for....

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:01 • by The Bobs (unregistered)
121750 in reply to 121745
Shameless upfront 'vertisement:
http://attonlinevault.com/

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:04 • by Jules (unregistered)
121752 in reply to 121731
That just cracked me up. The sad thing is, it's probably true. I've seen it elsewhere

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:10 • by stratos
well it only makes the day beter for the sysadmins.
Now they can yell at the user for forgetting his password, and look around the nets for some exploits for a ancient system to gain some access.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:18 • by skas
i think the important question here is:
are they hiring?

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:19 • by Joe H. (unregistered)
Got an old computer hanging around?

Not afraid of Linux?

Check out <a href="http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/">BackupPC</a>, I use it all the time and its file pooling allows me to back up all of my computers in a lot less space than it would take normally.

No, I'm not getting paid for this in any way, just a happy customer.

Yes, BackupPC is free ware

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:21 • by Joe H. (unregistered)
121757 in reply to 121756
Got an old computer hanging around?

Not afraid of Linux?

Check out BackupPC, I use it all the time and its file pooling allows me to back up all of my computers in a lot less space than it would take normally.

No, I'm not getting paid for this in any way, just a happy customer.

Yes, BackupPC is free ware

(grumble, grumble, BBCode... grumble)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 14:21 • by un.sined
121758 in reply to 121753
stratos:
well it only makes the day beter for the sysadmins.
Now they can yell at the user for forgetting his password, and look around the nets for some exploits for a ancient system to gain some access.


I remember doing something like this for a person on a Windows XP system. The user was having problems accessing things on the network, so he was advised to un-join and re-join the domain. Once he'd removed the computer from the domain and rebooted, he realized that he'd forgotten his admin password (at MS, in most groups that I've been in the user will configure their own PC).

First Post stunts

2007-02-21 14:40 • by dustin (unregistered)
Just block annonymous comments until there are 5 posts by logged in users.

Although the Fark approach is amusing too.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 15:21 • by cconroy
And here I thought that this was going to be a story about a backup tape that manifested itself with no human, um, input, a la the Immaculate Conception...

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 15:38 • by Mark (unregistered)
I have found this free backup service to be really nice. http://mozy.com/ I most like how I can keep my own key securing my data even from the backup service.

*note: I don't work for the company in any way what so ever.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 15:42 • by Zylon
121793 in reply to 121762
dustin:
Just block annonymous comments until there are 5 posts by logged in users.

Although the Fark approach is amusing too.

The best approach would be to simply auto-delete any post that contains the captcha used to submit it, or the word "captcha" itself.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 17:23 • by Dwayne (unregistered)
121808 in reply to 121793
Zylon:
dustin:
Just block annonymous comments until there are 5 posts by logged in users.

Although the Fark approach is amusing too.

The best approach would be to simply auto-delete any post that contains the captcha used to submit it, or the word "captcha" itself.

Even though that would block completely valid posts, such as (e.g.) your own.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 17:37 • by FOOBAR (unregistered)
121810 in reply to 121738
Zonkers:
> They hire the best network administrators money can buy and
> give them whatever resources they need to ensure that the
> infrastructure remains solid. And that they do.

WTF? no one does this!


Remember, Alex does some anonymizing.

That means that the admins weren't the best money can buy, the restore did not work, and several people probably got canned worse than albacore tuna, except for Paula.

Ah, [*releases intestinal gas*] now I feel better.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 17:40 • by DaveAronson (unregistered)
Dwayne: Just have it turn "captcha" into "Boobies!"

(...here we go 'round again....)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 21:21 • by IV (unregistered)
lol... is that supposed to be inspirational, because I think it has worked opposite :p

boobies: poindexter - ah yes, something he will never see

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 22:01 • by brandon (unregistered)
You cannot never plan for abject stupidity.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-21 22:29 • by This happened to me (unregistered)
I had to resurrect an ancient system, although it was archived in the form of the full machine. It ran Venix. Not Xenix. Venix. Source code was needed for some government (NTSB, likely) investigation. Impressed that the government would be so thorough, I did my duty as an American. After failing to find the installation media or any obvious (or non-obvious) means of booting single-user, I booted from a Linux floppy, ran back to my desk, made a second floppy with a hex editor, and ran back and changed:

root:VrlFCSFf4zu3q:0:0:Super-User:/:/bin/sh

to

root::0:0:.............Super-User:/:/bin/sh

No word on the result (or even subject) of the investigation.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 00:00 • by N/k
And that's why I not only write down all my passwords, but I also make backup copies of the post-it notes and archive them. I have them organized like a RAID 1, only made of paper and duct tape.

I am so fucking proud of it.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 00:39 • by cklam
Commendable in the way they are able to get back the old data.

Commendable - and it may be like shooting fish in a barrel. With an automatic shotgun. Using 00 buck shot. and a hand grenade for good measure afterwards.

Why ? Because it costs them a heap of money to maiantain all these old emulations, virtual systems and actual hardware to get at their old data. Assuming that they have no storage issues (old data from the seventies and afterwards will usually not make any significant dent on any suitably sized modern storage system), they should have converted their data completely to their respective new systems as they were retiring their old system.

With the approach used it is obvious to me that they did not migrate their data - so it is fragmented over any number of old environments used and not available for unified querying in the current system. Additionally they are incurring (problably comparatively massive) costs in keeping old system alive (space, electricity, manpower).

Why would they do that ? And don't that they got burned in '68 and kept scared until 2007 - for 39 years ? That's not the way organizations work.

I can only make out two possible reasons for an approach like the one in the OP:

1.) It is a regulated industry with regulations directly or indirectly requiring longtime access to old IT systems.

2.) They organization has products with a long usage life cycle. They kind of products where the original employees die of old age before product support is curtailed by their (grand-)sons and daughters. IMHO, could be some kind of defence contractor (for example tanks or naval ships - they stay in service and afterwards in storage forever).

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 00:42 • by Erzengel
121842 in reply to 121839
N/k:
And that's why I not only write down all my passwords, but I also make backup copies of the post-it notes and archive them. I have them organized like a RAID 1, only made of paper and duct tape.

I am so fucking proud of it.


Do you also keep copies of the key to the filing cabinet under your welcome mat, in the attic, and on a magnet on the filing cabinet? ;)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 01:27 • by Peter Newman (unregistered)
There is only one website for online backup information, news and information you need to read:

http://www.BackupReview.info

It is a fantastic site, well presented.



Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 03:25 • by Sid2K7 (unregistered)
121858 in reply to 121755
skas:
i think the important question here is:
are they hiring?


Amen!

I am currently working at the next best thing, so I consider myself very lucky.

Captcha: Pointer - Delivering only the best WTFs since 1838.

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 05:10 • by Bitter Like Quinine (unregistered)
8" Floppies? You were lucky!

One *production* machine I worked on a few years ago still had core memory and a paper-tape punch. After a severe crash, you might have to 'toggle-in' the boot program using the switches on the front of the machine, joy! Mind you, that was a rarity, the computer ran for 25 years with a 99.7% uptime.

When the laboratory held an open day, the mollycoddled cray-botherers in the computing department decided to make a history of computing display (how original), so the call went out, did anyone have any old punched tape? A souvenir perhaps?

No, we replied, but if you want we can punch a fresh roll for you?

At first they didn't believe us, and in the end they sent two people over to witness the tape being cut (presumeably just one person wouldn't have been believed).

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 05:12 • by Andrew Nonymous (unregistered)
The Crash of ‘68 -- they swore, Never Again. And forty years later, they’ve kept their promise.


When the hell did everyone else hit 2008? I'm stuck in February 2007!

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 06:17 • by f@ (unregistered)
121871 in reply to 121721
Ad-hater:
Yeah, when I get home from a hard day's work, I too enjoy a frosty beverage.
Me too. What are you suggesting?
Ad-hater:
Budweiser.
For crying out loud. Come to Europe. Drink proper beer. Suggesting Budweiser is almost as offensive as suggesting slapping the wife around.

And, since everyone gets offended when CAPTCHAs get posted, I'm just going to give the hint: arr.

Reset password file?

2007-02-22 07:43 • by Rabiator (unregistered)
121875 in reply to 121722
pc:
Hopefully, they have whatever the Administrator-equivilent password is and can reset the user's password...

While I don't know about than particular "old old" mainframe, most PC-based systems have a way to boot from an installation or "repair" disk and reset all passwords. In particular, I know this to be true for Windows NT and 1997-ish SCO Unix. Or you can set up a new OS on an empty patition and mount the disk from that.

So I guess there might be something similar for the "old old" mainframe. But the moment when the manager had trouble rmembering his password sure had some entertainment value ;-)

Re: Immaculate Backup

2007-02-22 07:49 • by Chris M (unregistered)

1.) It is a regulated industry with regulations directly or indirectly requiring longtime access to old IT systems.


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