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Is Michael using a rock as display device? Cause that would explain a lot.

Package is in a very bad inconsistent state

Sounds like UPS saying that your shipment is in North Korea.

E: mysql-server-5.0: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should...Close.

Sounds good to me.

What kind of weird message box is that (the first one)? The title bar looks like Aqua (Mac OS X). The content looks like GTK, possibly Gnome, but "E:" looks like a drive letter, suggesting Windows.

Though maybe the program wanted to say "Error:" and didn't get that far... then it could be a GTK/X11 app running under Mac OS.

D'oh... stupid me. The icon centered in the title bar looks like the X11 server icon from Mac OS X, so yes, GTK/X11 on OSX. I still wonder what E: could mean here, though. My Mac uses /Volume/whatever, not drive letters.

AdT:

D'oh... stupid me. The icon centered in the title bar looks like the X11 server icon from Mac OS X, so yes, GTK/X11 on OSX. I still wonder what E: could mean here, though. My Mac uses /Volume/whatever, not drive letters.

I'm gonna have to agree with your E means Error theory. I'll only really believe it though if I see a Warning have a W.

Not just an inconsistent state. And not only a bad inconsistent state. Nope, what we have here, is a 'very bad inconsistent state!'

Oooooh. Just a few notches below a really really absolutely positively bad inconsistent state.

Maybe the developers should

I wonder how they distinguish between "bad" and "very bad" inconsistencies..

The Real WTF(tm) is trying an Opera demo in IE with ClearType enabled.

I remember seeing the "Scanner Something Error Happens" one ages ago on engrish.com :)

That message is from dpkg, the Debian Package manager. The full message is:

Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should

 reinstall it before attempting configuration.

I guess the calling program assumed that all error messages would be on one line.

"Scanner something error happens."

It's even difficult to joke about it.

Captcha: burned
(Guess I am.)

Grant D. Noir:

I wonder how they distinguish between "bad" and "very bad" inconsistencies..

Or a "bad" and "good" inconsistent state, for that matter...

The first one was obviously a big fan of sopranos

At least the second "error" message makes perfect sense to me. When you have a 0x0 resolution, you have no display, so you will also have no fuzzy display. With any other resolution (ok, not 0 x height or width x 0...) you'll have a display, which would always be fuzzy. But I'm not sure if I would be interested in a product which will always give a fuzzy display...

Actually that Opera one with the error is pretty accurately modeling what you get on the actual Opera Mini Beta 4. It's pretty beta.

Hah, what did you expect from closed-source spyware like Opera? Use Firefox, you idiots!

AnonymousCoward:

Hah, what did you expect from closed-source spyware like Opera? Use Firefox, you idiots!

And I can find firefox that can be installed on a mobile phone where exactly?

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

AnonymousCoward:

Hah, what did you expect from closed-source spyware like Opera? Use Firefox, you idiots!

On the notion that Opera is spyware, you might want to read this article.

I agree with the Opera Mini comment. I get that error a few times per day. It's almost enough to make me start using the Blackberry browser. Almost.

AnonymousCoward:

Hah, what did you expect from closed-source spyware like Opera? Use Firefox, you idiots!

Good point, after all FF only silently eats your ram and bookmarks. Contrary to what the OSS zealots may want to think Opera is much better than Firefox with default install. It's faster, uses less memory, has more features and probably works better as well (i: doesn't randomly eat your profile or bookmarks). The ONLY thing FF has going for it in technical terms is extensions which is a very big advantage but don't let it blind you to its faults.

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

But that's only for windows based mobile phones/pdas, isn't it? What about a regular mobile phone? That's capable of running java apps only?

mare:

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

But that's only for windows based mobile phones/pdas, isn't it? What about a regular mobile phone? That's capable of running java apps only?

I'm afraid you will have to ask the Mozilla developers that question. I don't know. 8*)

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

1977 - drive to library, use card catalogue, find reference book, use index, flip to page, be happy you found an answer
1987 - walk to computer, establish connection, telnet, find/grep, be happy with convenience of telnet
1997 - walk to computer, click search, complain about sucky browser
2007 - remove phone from pocket, press buttons, complain it's too slow

Could you guys BE any more spoiled?

Good point, after all FF only silently eats your ram and bookmarks. Contrary to what the OSS zealots may want to think Opera is much better than Firefox with default install. It's faster, uses less memory, has more features and probably works better as well (i: doesn't randomly eat your profile or bookmarks). The ONLY thing FF has going for it in technical terms is extensions which is a very big advantage but don't let it blind you to its faults.

If you want to have some real fun, get a desktop setup like mine: 4GB RAM, 4 x 500 GB HD RAID 1+0, Athlon 64 x2 6000, run opera and load any page like say the slashdot home page, now try to watch a divx movie in any media player.

Oh, the hilarity of having to hard boot your system because Opera decided it should have all your resources. Man that Opera is something else. I realize the Opera apologists will say that it doesn't use any resources, which is true, right up until you load any page.

After I determined what was causing the problem (Opera with 1GB of RAM occupied using 99% of my cpu power), I stopped using Opera, went back to exclusively using FF. Have not had a problem since. Mind you, pages would load slower if it weren't for the fact I have adblock plus installed which stops most of the unnecessary connections.

Yeah, but that Opera, whoo-wee that is an awesome thing, you know if it worked and all, hey, at least its free now.

Mhendren:

Yeah, but that Opera, whoo-wee that is an awesome thing, you know if it worked and all, hey, at least its free now.

Um, I'm a Firefox person myself (you can pry my extensions from my cold, dead fingers), but I have no clue what you're talking about. I've used Opera FINE on computers that are 5 or 6 years old, and had it be faster and smaller than Firefox.

I also have a screenshot of the Windows task manager's graphs when I shut it down once showing (1) FF using close to a gig of memory and (2) a 55 second window from when I pressed the exit button to when it had finally and completely exited.

So from everything I have seen or heard, you are either an anomaly or trolling.

You honestly think Firefox will be any better than Opera? Use Lynx, you idiots!

Mhendren:

Good point, after all FF only silently eats your ram and bookmarks. Contrary to what the OSS zealots may want to think Opera is much better than Firefox with default install. It's faster, uses less memory, has more features and probably works better as well (i: doesn't randomly eat your profile or bookmarks). The ONLY thing FF has going for it in technical terms is extensions which is a very big advantage but don't let it blind you to its faults.

If you want to have some real fun, get a desktop setup like mine: 4GB RAM, 4 x 500 GB HD RAID 1+0, Athlon 64 x2 6000, run opera and load any page like say the slashdot home page, now try to watch a divx movie in any media player.

Oh, the hilarity of having to hard boot your system because Opera decided it should have all your resources. Man that Opera is something else. I realize the Opera apologists will say that it doesn't use any resources, which is true, right up until you load any page.

After I determined what was causing the problem (Opera with 1GB of RAM occupied using 99% of my cpu power), I stopped using Opera, went back to exclusively using FF. Have not had a problem since. Mind you, pages would load slower if it weren't for the fact I have adblock plus installed which stops most of the unnecessary connections.

Yeah, but that Opera, whoo-wee that is an awesome thing, you know if it worked and all, hey, at least its free now.

I'm sorry something in your configuration was F***** up. This is not usual behaviour of Opera, but I think you already knew that and just wanted to post something to draw reactions.

Maarten:

Mhendren:

Good point, after all FF only silently eats your ram and bookmarks. Contrary to what the OSS zealots may want to think Opera is much better than Firefox with default install. It's faster, uses less memory, has more features and probably works better as well (i: doesn't randomly eat your profile or bookmarks). The ONLY thing FF has going for it in technical terms is extensions which is a very big advantage but don't let it blind you to its faults.

If you want to have some real fun, get a desktop setup like mine: 4GB RAM, 4 x 500 GB HD RAID 1+0, Athlon 64 x2 6000, run opera and load any page like say the slashdot home page, now try to watch a divx movie in any media player.

Oh, the hilarity of having to hard boot your system because Opera decided it should have all your resources. Man that Opera is something else. I realize the Opera apologists will say that it doesn't use any resources, which is true, right up until you load any page.

After I determined what was causing the problem (Opera with 1GB of RAM occupied using 99% of my cpu power), I stopped using Opera, went back to exclusively using FF. Have not had a problem since. Mind you, pages would load slower if it weren't for the fact I have adblock plus installed which stops most of the unnecessary connections.

Yeah, but that Opera, whoo-wee that is an awesome thing, you know if it worked and all, hey, at least its free now.

I'm sorry something in your configuration was F***** up. This is not usual behaviour of Opera, but I think you already knew that and just wanted to post something to draw reactions.

Wait, are you telling me that Opera has a configuration that effectively says "suck up all possible resources" ?!

snoofle:

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

1977 - drive to library, use card catalogue, find reference book, use index, flip to page, be happy you found an answer
1987 - walk to computer, establish connection, telnet, find/grep, be happy with convenience of telnet
1997 - walk to computer, click search, complain about sucky browser
2007 - remove phone from pocket, press buttons, complain it's too slow

Could you guys BE any more spoiled?

Hey! Until they can beam the information I desire straight to my brain, I'm going to complain!

snoofle:

Wait, are you telling me that Opera has a configuration that effectively says "suck up all possible resources" ?!

Flash, Java, plugin X, spyware Y, windows patch Z, etc, etc.

Maarten:

snoofle:

Wait, are you telling me that Opera has a configuration that effectively says "suck up all possible resources" ?!

Flash, Java, plugin X, spyware Y, windows patch Z, etc, etc.

In any case, I never had such a problem on any configuration I used. Ranging from an P200 running Windows '95 and Opera 5.x/6.x to a ML52 running Vista and Opera 9.22. I have 16 tabs open right now and Opera is using up 126MB of memory and 2% CPU time on a Sempron 3400 because of some animated GIF or Flash running in one of those tabs or it would have used 0%.

AdT:

D'oh... stupid me. The icon centered in the title bar looks like the X11 server icon from Mac OS X, so yes, GTK/X11 on OSX. I still wonder what E: could mean here, though. My Mac uses /Volume/whatever, not drive letters.

Hum. GTK+ app running on OS X, both strongly Unix things, and people are suspecting "E:" is a Windowsism? The Real WTF(tm) has been discovered. =)

Yep, that's definitely a dpkg error message. The application itself may be the Synaptic package manager. I can't remember if I've seen this box (I don't use APT's GUI frontends myself), but at least the "The following details are provided:" string appears in my /usr/sbin/synaptic...

SomeCoder:

snoofle:

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

1977 - drive to library, use card catalogue, find reference book, use index, flip to page, be happy you found an answer
1987 - walk to computer, establish connection, telnet, find/grep, be happy with convenience of telnet
1997 - walk to computer, click search, complain about sucky browser
2007 - remove phone from pocket, press buttons, complain it's too slow

Could you guys BE any more spoiled?

Hey! Until they can beam the information I desire straight to my brain, I'm going to complain!

Dude, if your cell phone call receive the signal, then the signal is already going directly into your brain.

You just need an upgrade to the new and improved Brain 2.0 with the better receiver!

The last thing I need is a fuzzy display. I'm going to set my resolution to 0x0 right now.

SomeCoder:

Hey! Until they can beam the information I desire straight to my brain, I'm going to complain!

What, you mean I have to think of a question before my onboard wetware AI will answer it for me? Sheesh! Who has the time?

snoofle:

chad:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

Not that you would want to. I tried this on my Verizon XV6700 and it was pretty slow - annoyingly so.

1977 - drive to library, use card catalogue, find reference book, use index, flip to page, be happy you found an answer
1987 - walk to computer, establish connection, telnet, find/grep, be happy with convenience of telnet
1997 - walk to computer, click search, complain about sucky browser
2007 - remove phone from pocket, press buttons, complain it's too slow

Could you guys BE any more spoiled?

Oh, I agree we are spoiled. I love all the neat toys we can play with (like phones with Internet access).

Perhaps I should clarify my previous statement. Minimo is annoyingly slow compared to Pocket IE and Opera. It takes anywhere from 2x to 4x as long as PocketIE to complete the same tasks - and doesn't render web content appreciably better on the screen.

Maarten:

I'm sorry something in your configuration was F***** up. This is not usual behaviour of Opera, but I think you already knew that and just wanted to post something to draw reactions.

If was a very freshly installed computer. Nothing was F***** up about it. I have never had an Opera that didn't cause everything to go haywire (Aside from the mentioned programs it ran Kapernsky (forgive the spelling please), standard XP OS, and nothing else).

To me Opera is like Debian. A lot of people like to go "I am doing something that is different," and ignore the fact that it just doesn't work (note: I have a particular hatred of Debian which maybe unfounded, but I have been able to install HURD, NetBSD on Sparc Architecture, and build my own linux distro from scratch without any problems, but the ONLY successful debian install I have been able to do was 1.0 booting from a slackware boot/rootdisk (with deb installed), and manually unpackaging it (last attempted debian install was "Sarge"))

The point here is: I know what I am doing. If your software causes me horrible problems, then it really isn't good enough for use by people at large.

I'm a teepee!
I'm a wigwam!
I'm a teepee!
I'm a wigwam!

Relax, man -- you're two... states?

AdT:

What kind of weird message box is that (the first one)? The title bar looks like Aqua (Mac OS X). The content looks like GTK, possibly Gnome, but "E:" looks like a drive letter, suggesting Windows.

Though maybe the program wanted to say "Error:" and didn't get that far... then it could be a GTK/X11 app running under Mac OS.

It's probably an Aqua theme for the GNOME desktop manager.

Pretty much everyone:

AnonymousCoward:

Hah, what did you expect from closed-source spyware like Opera? Use Firefox, you idiots!

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Some nice error'ds. =)

The only time I tried to use Opera it decided to take about 20sec to respond to any mouseclick. Admittedly this was on Windows where firefox is a little screwed up too but still...

mysql-server-5.0: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should


I bet you could find the rest of the error message in the Castle Aaarrrggghhh....

Anon:

Good point, after all FF only silently eats your ram

It's been a while since I last had this problem. Firefox 2.0.0.4 appears to be rock-solid even when I have dozens of browser windows open at the same time, some with many tabs. And various versions of Opera did eat up my RAM and spuriously crash, too, sometimes reproducibly (which means you try to restore the session and it goes boom again).

Anon:

and bookmarks.

Never heard about that one.

Anon:

Contrary to what the OSS zealots may want to think Opera is much better than Firefox with default install.

I dispute that, but it doesn't matter much because I don't use the default install. Opera has more built-in features, but for almost every one of these features, there is a Firefox extension that makes the Opera feature look like a toy. Mouse gestures (open all in tabs!) and NoScript, for example - I find them much more usable than what Opera offers. And there aren't a lot of ways to extend Opera, unfortunately.

Then there are some annoying things about Opera that totally freak me out, like when I use Save As to store a news page to disk, it uses the title as a filename - not bad you may think, but what if the news site has the same title on several pages? Then I have to constantly enter another name. Firefox uses the page name from the URL which in the case of the news sites I frequent is usually unique. Also, Opera by default saves as HTML without images. But I want the images, usually. So I have to change this for every single page. I'm still looking for a way to override this behavior. Firefox is totally boring in this respect - it just does what I want it to do.

Anon:

The ONLY thing FF has going for it in technical terms is extensions which is a very big advantage but don't let it blind you to its faults.

Funny, the extensions work fine for me, but the problems you are citing are foreign to me. Except memory usage which is more a user problem in my case than a browser problem (gotta go and close some windows now that I no longer need).

About inconsistent state.
I'm wondering why people think it's a WTF? It looks like a gtk frontend to apt-get, and the error message is a typical error apt-get gives when someone screwed the packages pretty badly. Is there are so many people over here who don't know what Debian is?

Ahem. Firefox uses RAM for its cache. This can be configured to use less. The only other reason for it to "silently eat RAM" was fixed before the 2.0 releases in a memory leak.

Opera looks nicer then Firefox, but its just as slow and stupid as it is, if not more so. There are few, if any, good reasons to use Opera over Firefox.

But of course, this also is said with the fact in mind all browsers suck more than a french whore doing an impersonation of a vacuum cleaner. You're better off using links -g or Dillo, honestly. Or elinks...

Mhendren:

To me Opera is like Debian. A lot of people like to go "I am doing something that is different," and ignore the fact that it just doesn't work (note: I have a particular hatred of Debian which maybe unfounded, but I have been able to install HURD, NetBSD on Sparc Architecture, and build my own linux distro from scratch without any problems, but the ONLY successful debian install I have been able to do was 1.0 booting from a slackware boot/rootdisk (with deb installed), and manually unpackaging it (last attempted debian install was "Sarge"))

That is odd. The ONLY system I ever had trouble installing debian on was a SATA based system for which the debian stable kernel didn’t have support for (ie: no support for sata controller). Everything else was trivial to install for so yeah you seem to just be unlucky.

AdT:

It's been a while since I last had this problem. Firefox 2.0.0.4 appears to be rock-solid even when I have dozens of browser windows open at the same time, some with many tabs. And various versions of Opera did eat up my RAM and spuriously crash, too, sometimes reproducibly (which means you try to restore the session and it goes boom again).

It’s better than before but still has decent ram usage. Opera I believe does some form of image compression in memory or some such to save ram.

AdT:

Never heard about that one.

Go google it or search through any tech help forum. I saw a post about it just last week. Never had it happen to me but there is a reason FF keeps a backup of the bookmarks file. I actually had FF destroy my whole profile when I did a security fix update on it (well at least my daily backups paid off).

AdT:

Opera has more built-in features, but for almost every one of these features, there is a Firefox extension that makes the Opera feature look like a toy.

Many people find problems with these FF extensions, be it their usability or speed, and consider the Opera built in features better (especially mouse gestures).

AdT:

Funny, the extensions work fine for me,

Same here (hell I’ve made a few FF extensions) but I’m just arguing for why FF isn’t god. People all too often think it is the best thing since sliced bread which is a very BAD way to think. If you're blind to the faults of something you won't improve those areas and as a result your product won't last long (or in the case of users won't tell the devs to do so or will yell at people who complain about those areas). Something will come along that isn't yet so blind and take your whole market share while you're still scratching your head. God knows how many people got turned off of Firefox because they got yelled at by zealots when complaining, rightfully, about high memory usage (ie: "it's a feature","sure it used 1 gig of ram and never releases but it's technically not a memory leak so stop complaining","you're an idiot.", etc.).

I can honestly say I've never seen fuzzy text on a 0x0 display!

Anon:

Mhendren:

To me Opera is like Debian. A lot of people like to go "I am doing something that is different," and ignore the fact that it just doesn't work (note: I have a particular hatred of Debian which maybe unfounded, but I have been able to install HURD, NetBSD on Sparc Architecture, and build my own linux distro from scratch without any problems, but the ONLY successful debian install I have been able to do was 1.0 booting from a slackware boot/rootdisk (with deb installed), and manually unpackaging it (last attempted debian install was "Sarge"))

That is odd. The ONLY system I ever had trouble installing debian on was a SATA based system for which the debian stable kernel didn’t have support for (ie: no support for sata controller). Everything else was trivial to install for so yeah you seem to just be unlucky.

Maybe it's all the crack I was smoking, but that default "interactive installer" (name escapes me) had the horrible habit of telling you you are missing dependencies, but not what they are and not automatically selecting them for you. Also the whole "Enter means install right now regardless of whether or not all dependencies have been met" kind of made me not happy when using that horrible installer for three hours and only having a small number of packages configured with the correct dependencies.

Anon:

Same here (hell I’ve made a few FF extensions) but I’m just arguing for why FF isn’t god. People all too often think it is the best thing since sliced bread which is a very BAD way to think. If you're blind to the faults of something you won't improve those areas and as a result your product won't last long (or in the case of users won't tell the devs to do so or will yell at people who complain about those areas). Something will come along that isn't yet so blind and take your whole market share while you're still scratching your head. God knows how many people got turned off of Firefox because they got yelled at by zealots when complaining, rightfully, about high memory usage (ie: "it's a feature","sure it used 1 gig of ram and never releases but it's technically not a memory leak so stop complaining","you're an idiot.", etc.).

I have never had the memory problems with FF I have had with Opera. I mean Opera comes up faster, and uses less memory at the start, but it doesn't maintain that lead very long. Now, I know it sounds like I am trying to flame Opera, but It should be noted I am a "cynical optomist." I really would like for Opera to be a good browser. I Came close to buying a license back in the day (You remember netscape 4.0 days when I was using linux/solaris on the desktop), but I couldn't because as bad as Netscape 4.0 was Opera just wasn't much better, and 4.5 was better than Opera of the day. I have downloaded several copies of Opera since it went all free. Nothing has ever worked on it (nothing, it fails to render anything correctly except the acid2 test (but it does get that)). These screenshots I took today after downloading the latest Opera, because today's discussion made me think "give it one more chance." This is netidenty (my mail system (those paying close attention to the screen could probably guess my email address)). This is the first place I went to, and this is how it came out. I ran it with FF and Safari for comparison.