Comment On Don't Wait Till the Last Minute

"Less than" could also be only one, couldn't it?

Please.. like PGP is still going to be around in 50 quadrillion years.


(btw saying 'first' is obnoxious and childish)

Wouldn't the universe have ended by the time that thing expires?

tag:

"Less than" could also be only one, couldn't it?

I think you meant "Less than" could also only be FIRST POST!

Apparently, their software doesn't quite know how to handle a key that expired 197 days ago.

The real wtf here is that you're using WinZip.

Quietust:

Apparently, their software doesn't quite know how to handle a key that expired 197 days ago.

I must be brain-dead today - how do you figure 197?
Edit: Never mind - just jump-started brain (no coffee this morning).

Edit 2: I suppose it could have been worse:
Key: 54EC3NaN

7-zip... Cmon winzip trial? does anybody buy that?


Use 7-zip. it's free and open source.

spamparranoid:

7-zip... Cmon winzip trial? does anybody buy that?


Use 7-zip. it's free and open source.

I second this, plus its native .7z format is far more compact than .zip

As long as the final warning doesn't come -9876543214568875 years before expiry everything will be OK I think...

I'm getting kind of tired of these Error'd stories with programs that show really big numbers because of overflow. It's only funny once.

I'm on day 1850 of the 30 day evaluation period of winzip,
I just can't make up my mind if it's really what I need!

Why is using winzip a WTF? it does exactly what it says on the tin!

CAPTCHA:- tastey, back to schrodingers cat food again

Geez, half of the "Error'd" is about integer overflow. Really childish, boring and somewhat pathetic.

I stopped using winzip when I got windows XP 4 years ago, with it's native .zip (aka compressed folder) support.

Not to knock the .7z format or the fact that 7zip is faster, but it has the worst UI known to man.

WinRAR all the way.

Myself:

I'm getting kind of tired of these Error'd stories with programs that show really big numbers because of overflow. It's only funny once.

Well, can I suggest you don't read them then? The rest of us do enjoy them.

WinRar > all

Rick:

Myself:

I'm getting kind of tired of these Error'd stories with programs that show really big numbers because of overflow. It's only funny once.

Well, can I suggest you don't read them then? The rest of us do enjoy them.

No, rest of us hates them also.

7zip won't remove items from an archive but will open a dialogue stating "Not implemented".
I use it anyway; I like the way the integration in Windows' context menu is done. Hated that in WinRAR.

stinky?! I am not stinky, hopefully.

ASDF:

Not to knock the .7z format or the fact that 7zip is faster, but it has the worst UI known to man.

WinRAR all the way.

No, it's just second-worst. Worst UI will always go to the hotel booking system.

ASDF:

Not to knock the .7z format or the fact that 7zip is faster, but it has the worst UI known to man.

WinRAR all the way.

well, at least 7zip developpers understand that a directory tree should be presented to the user the way they are accustomed to, that is as a tree and not as a flat list with the directory appearing somewhere in a column. it took almost 10 years to WinZip developpers to understand that.

personally, i appreciate the simplicity and no-bells-and-whistles style of 7zip GUI...

foxyshadis:

ASDF:

Not to knock the .7z format or the fact that 7zip is faster, but it has the worst UI known to man.

WinRAR all the way.

No, it's just second-worst. Worst UI will always go to the hotel booking system.

How dare you forget FileMatrix!

GUI? Integration right into context menu!

I don't know much about 7zip (other than it has incredible compression), but WinRAR handles every single compressed file format known to man, and can even unpack .cab and .iso files. Easy to install, easier to use, and not a single problem in years.

WinZip is just a joke.

Well, from a GUI point of view, the WTF here is that [1] there is a

Do not ask again

option but with no question being asked, and [2] there are

Continue

and

Cancel

buttons, but no explanation as to what action you are continuing or canceling.

A GUI is the central interaction point of most applications, but it often gets the worst treatment.

Seeing all of these issues in dialogs makes me wonder how often errors like this happen in places in the program you can't easily see.

bstorer (Too lazy to login):

foxyshadis:

ASDF:

Not to knock the .7z format or the fact that 7zip is faster, but it has the worst UI known to man.

WinRAR all the way.

No, it's just second-worst. Worst UI will always go to the hotel booking system.

How dare you forget FileMatrix!

Agreed. The Hotel Booking System doesn't hold a candle to the FileMatrix. Even to this day, that one drops my jaw.

Zip Genius FTW!

Thief^:

I stopped using winzip when I got windows XP 4 years ago, with it's native .zip (aka compressed folder) support.

I found that to be just about incredibly, embarassingly, unbearably slow.
How the hell can it take several seconds to extract ~50 files totaling less than 1 MB? Heck, my old 486/33 was faster than that!
Can't Microsoft do anything right?

What's so hard about 7zip?

Right click, add to archive.

Right click, extract.

I don't see how it could possibly be any easier. Plus the compression ratio can be much better than RAR.

Regardless, *real men* use PAQ8JD ;)

Why does the Winzip trial never expire?

MX5Ringer:

I'm on day 1850 of the 30 day evaluation period of winzip,
I just can't make up my mind if it's really what I need!

Why is using winzip a WTF? it does exactly what it says on the tin!

Except for delaying you several seconds every time you need to use a zip file... And getting your attention away, making you press a button that changes its place every time you open the program... And you being a pirate (not that I think that badly about software piracy)... It does just what it says.

And for the other poster that said that WinRar opens every file format, every windows compressor/extractor does that nowaday. Linux, otherwise, have one for each format (do just one thing, but do that well).

me:

WinRar > all

(proprietary algorithm with decoder source code licensed to explicitly forbid the creation of a free encoder) < all

For one thing,The 7z GUI is optional, I think it's just a front end. You can also write your own(Not too hard).

And no, I don't hate the int overflow stories. It is indeed a WTF when you consider these things are or close to commercial products...

I've tried using 7zip for a while, and it is ok. I've also tried IZArc (http://www.izarc.org/), and it is nice as well, but not open source.

What I really miss about winzip is that it does not extract to a temporary directory and then copy the file to the destination. Extracting a large archive from one partition to another is painful with 7zip and IZarc. Any ideas?

What, you're all using different applications just to zip/unzip different files? Just use Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/).
And for 7zip, bzip2, etc, you can download free plugins. Works wonderfully! As for me, I nearly forgot how Winzip looked like. (And how bad Windows explorer works for that matter ;) )

There's a grammar error too.

Should be "fewer than", not "less than."

Nah. Real men use bzip2!!!

Another WinZip-hater/WinRAR-user here. I'll have to give 7Zip and Total Commander a try.

FWIW, the zip functionality built into Windows blows. Who needs a wizard just to extract an archive? Even the otherwise-subpar WinZip allows a simple "Right Click->Extract", IIRC.

jethrotull:

Rick:

Myself:

I'm getting kind of tired of these Error'd stories with programs that show really big numbers because of overflow. It's only funny once.

Well, can I suggest you don't read them then? The rest of us do enjoy them.

No, rest of us hates them also.

Not so. I think they're funny at least 4294967295 times.

I submitted one the other day, not sure if it'll get approved or not.

EVE Online is a relatively popular MMORPG, and recently they added a new feature allowing people to buy gametime cards from other players using in-game money via a direct interface on the website which directly interfaced with the game database. The purpose of course was to eliminate any risk of an ingame trade; just do it directly. It also prevented people from reselling codes, as they are applied directly to the account.

So I go to try to buy one... and I get an error.

Apparently, you see, the wallet in-game is stored as some sort of value... probably a double or long. But then it has to be read into the Microsoft SQL server code and checked to see whether the wallet is large enough to buy the gametime code.

They converted it to an int.

And since I'm a rich bastard in-game, it overflowed.

Oops.

Bah, I meant to quote the above one. I was giving an example of my own int overflow story.

/smacks self

Bah, I meant to quote the above one. I was giving an example of my own int overflow story.

/smacks self

Mcoder:

Linux, otherwise, have one for each format (do just one thing, but do that well).

Konqueror knows how to open all of them. (At least .zip, .tgz, .tar.bz2)

Bah, I meant to quote the above one. I was giving an example of my own int overflow story.

/smacks self

Aggghhhh my connection buggered and triple posted... some mod please delete the extras ;)

Captcha: RIAA

Hey, you get what you pay for.

OpenPGP is free (and open), and WinZip... well, who knows what they paid the guy that made WinZip. It sure doesn't seem like it was too much ;)

Rick:

Myself:

I'm getting kind of tired of these Error'd stories with programs that show really big numbers because of overflow. It's only funny once.

Well, can I suggest you don't read them then? The rest of us do enjoy them.

No, we do not enjoy them either.

That's actually -1 in an unsigned 64 bit integer :)

I'm not too fond of Winzip. Someone once got ahold of one of my credit card numbers and used it to buy copies of Winzip.

The real WTF about that is why anyone would pay for it when the trial never expires. Let alone do so with a stolen credit card!

/7-zip on Windows, bzip2 on FreeBSD.

The REAL WTF is that it's apparently impossible to post something anymore without the discussion devolving into

"The real WTF is that you use {appA} when {appB, usually open source} is so much better!"

Could those of you who just can't get through the day without waggling your winky at someone in this manner head over to /. and leave the rest of us adults alone?